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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 25 Jan 00 20:00:46 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hi Joe,
>
> About "MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities" of January 1, 5, 7 and 18:
>
> MS> I introduce myself, i'm a DOS_InterNet user and spent about the last
> MS> two years lurking/participating to the same-name echo of the
> MS> `FidoNet' amateur messaging network.  Since the last four years or
> MS> so i looked for DOS INet FreeWare/ShareWare programs in hope that
> MS> i'd get my hands on some piece of software which can be run even on
> MS> a minimum setup, meaning:  - 8088 4,77 Mhz ~CPU~  - 640 Kb ~RAM~...
> ..
> MS> TO UPGRADE THE HARDWARE OR TO SWITCH TO PROTOCOLS LIKE ~FTP~/~HTTP~
> MS> *IS NOT* AN OPTION.
> JRD> 486 and Pentium motherboards are basically free for the asking...
>
> I finally read your messages (not just short spasmodic quoted fragments)
> which you intended as a reply to my previous posts.  Most unfortunately,
> nothing you can write makes it to my news server;  i called my ~ISP~ and
> one of their clerck explained me that YOU PROBABLY ARE USING ONE OF YOUR
> APPLICATION'S OPTION TO LIMIT THE PROPAGATION of your messages.  If it's
> true that you have too little time at hand then you will want to spend a

----------
    I will make this brief. Stop accusing people. Then please understand
just a bit more how News is propagated as storing and forwarding, merging
and splitting of streams of messages, some of which relays drop or repeat.
Hours or days may pass, relay links may be highly unreliable, etc. It is not
my end of things.
    Zmodem isn't in the works for MS-DOS Kermit. I've said that several
times now. Nor will port 25 to be opened, for what I consider good and
sufficient reasons both technical and ethical. Folks may honestly disagree,
but the decision stands.
        To decode your script problems I suggest first reducing the number
of items in it, and try each piece one at a time to discover programming
loops and other problems. The common name for this strategy is divide and
conquer, recommended by a certain Italian general as we all recall from school.
    I will not go on about this, but the speed problems you are concerned
about are most likely due to the simplistic implementation of the Kermit
protocol in the BBS systems you contact. Had they done a better implementation
things could go faster. It's not the method of putting bits on the wire, it is
the nature of how much is sent when at the protocol level. That ought to help
reduce the number of comms techniques to worry about (and you have a bunch in
hand). At some point your 8088 machine runs out of cpu cycles and the floppy
drive remains slow. Those too will place an upper limit on speed.
    Lastly, we have pointed you to the source code more than once. I did
so on my machines: try netlab2.usu.edu, directory kermit. Try netlab1.usu.edu,
directory pub/mirror/kermit. Try a web browser or anonymous ftp. I can't help
more than that and I do hope you are successful this time.
    Joe D.